May
05
2009
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Mannatech legal threats, I’m not alone!

I decided to do a little research online regarding my (so far), two cease and desist orders originating from Mannatech’s legal department and guess what, they sent the same identical letter to others as well! Each time, to people who disprove or question the validity for their sales people’s claims that their products cure diseases and illness. Same situation, the blogger writes that their products are essentially a scam, a Mannatech representative says the opposite and voila, Mannatech’s legal department springs into action against, no, not the Mannatech representative telling their lies but the person who put into question their products. I am seeing a pattern here.

Background story regarding my joy of Mannatech here:

First question, am I legally liable for comments posted on my blog?

Technically you are not liable for blog comments/forum posts on your site posted by others. You are responsible and liable for comments that you make, but it is very difficult to prosecute or pursue, primarily because of jurisdiction. The Internet is global and there is not one single governing force. Not only is the location of the blogger/poster a factor but the  location of the web host and the laws that govern their locations are a factor.

Source: http://businesscommunicationblog.com/newsletters/?p=43981

Makes sense… I agree :-) Mannatech is barking-up the wrong tree, their threats are as empty as their distributor’s promises.

Where Mannatech learned about Cease and Desist letters…

http://www.rickross.com/reference/mannatech/mannatech49.html

Now I know where the idea for Cease and Desist Orders comes from… the SEC! It seems that the seeds they have sowed all these years are finally starting to sprout weeds!

Mannatech’s SEC problems are on top of a complaint filed by the Texas attorney general’s office last year. In July 2007, the attorney general filed a lawsuit accusing Mannatech of exaggerating the therapeutic benefits of its products for people with cancer, Down syndrome, cystic fibrosis and other serious conditions. That suit is pending in Travis County District Court. Mannatech CEO Wayne Badovinus acknowledged last quarter that dealing with the attorney general’s complaint, as well as related shareholder lawsuits, was taking a financial toll on the company.

This is starting to make sense, they are covering their ass as much as possible with these legal orders as they face an increasing amount of lawsuits based on the practices of their distribution channel.

Deja vue?

Here is a great link to somebody who had exactly the same situation happen to them! Mannatech lawyers go after him instead of commentators working for Mannatech and accuse him of something he never did! I sent his response to Mannatech as well, it’s fantastic! Peter’s response is a very good read – well worth it!

I thought I had made this clear last year when I received a similar complaint from you. I do wish that you would actually take the time to read the page you are complaining about, but just in case you can’t do that I will reiterate what I said last time (and which appears on that page).

At no place on my site do I state, suggest or imply that Mannatech nutritional products prevent, treat or cure disease, or state, suggest or imply that Mannatech nutritional products are a substitute for a doctor’s standard of care. I would not do either of these things because I do not believe that such statements would be true. I do not care what Mannatech’s policies are with regard to such statements because I am not a Mannatech distributor.

Before you write to me again with complaints about things I do not do please try to read my clearly expressed opinions about Mannatech. You only make yourself look foolish by displaying a total lack of comprehension.

Again, I would like to thank you for implicitly informing me that Mannatech products have no role in the prevention, treatment or cure of any disease and that they do not provide an alternative to professional medical care. I will cite this to Mannatech distributors who contact me with anecdotes suggesting otherwise.

As is my usual policy, your email and this reply will be published on my web site.

I have a wish

I wish that Mannatech would spend a few million dollars and perform a clinical, double-blind study relating the the effectiveness of their products… so far, they have a legal department that is unable to comprehend their mother tongue and sales people who must believe their own lies in order to sustain their financial health. I see nothing positive nor progressive coming out of Mannatech. Please perform this completely unbiased study so you can implode.

Here is a fantastic article by ABCNews, Cure for Your Disease or Empty Promises?

The Bottom Line

You reap what you sow.

May
05
2009
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Mannatech’s Cease and Desist… again!

Apparently Mannatech’s lawyers still do not know how to read English, think that their web compliance policy applies internet-wide and freedom of speech is as worthless as their own products . I wrote repeatedly that Mannatech’s products have never been proven to work but Mannatech’s own sales people write that it cures everything known to man. They go after the guy speaking the truth in order to maintain their web of lies.

I wrote about Mannatech previously here…

Now, let me prove my point, first a little background, this is not me but outlines how Mannatech works.

  • Using the term nutraceutical implies that the product has a demonstrated physiological benefit or provide protection against a chronic disease without having to PROVE nor back-up this statement with fact (in other words, it’s marketing BS). Demonstrated isn’t fact, it’s a very subjective and “blurry” word.
  • Mannatech’s products are sold around the world, they are A BIG COMPANY
  • Mannatech is a MLM (Multi-Level Marketing) company, not a pharmaceutical one
  • Sales people only profit by recruiting others to sell their products, something that sales people selling REAL health products such as drugs wouldn’t be able to do unless they had a license and education to back them up.
  • 90% of the distributors in a MLM scam leave within the first 90 days

Interesting video huh? Here is what happens, one person says something bad about the company

(from fotwunny (1 month ago))

my mother got involved with this crap!…it’s insane…It was all she talked about for about 2 years..she thought she was going to be making 6 figures while doing something good…..she ran herself ragged and made nothing after expenses

… and you guessed it, somebody from Mannatech says that it cures diseases etc.

(from arch571332 (2 weeks ago)
I never got involved in the sales end of mannatech for that very reason, there is no guarantee you will make money, I only used the products. However they do work, taking the glycential tablets took away the headaches and allergies I had, these problems were probably due to vitamin deficiencies. Its evil that the Texas Attorney General has cracked down on mannatech for saying that their vitamin can cure and prevent disease, because they can.

Alright, let’s hear from a Mannatech distributor

  • She has seen the Mannatech fallout after Texas Attorney General and ABC News Interview about how much bullshit Mannatech’s sales people where shoveling in the name of religion in order to sell their products, promising that it would cure AIDS, Cancer and everything else under the sun
  • “The rules have changed, this can happen to any company.” What she doesn’t say is that you cannot make a health claim without backing it up with FACTS which Mannatech hasn’t been able to do. They were also caught red handed lying to sell their products, so yes, if you run a company based on lies, I sure as hell hope that the government cracks down onto you!
  • “Don’t lead with the company, don’t lead with the product, lead with yourself”… so in other words, put your own reputation on the line because Mannatech’s products can’t hold water (Tensa Water no less) on their own, no scientific data, no scientific work, just a MLM scheme that works on ignorance and greed.
  • “People don’t buy companies or the product until they buy you”, I sure hope she doesn’t work for Nike, Fiat or any other company out there. When the company you stand behind has no value and depends on YOUR PERSONAL VALUE for a sale, you know you are in big trouble!
  • I completely tuned-out after 4 minutes of her babble filled with MLM and “get rich quick” keywords

Now, let’s look at the comments

(from flygirlhandm (9 months ago))
“People don’t buy companies… they don’t necessarily even buy the product.. until they buy you”
That is one of the silliest things I have ever heard. Mannatech and those associated with it are very disturbing and seem to be either brain washed or are trying to do the brain washing.
from arel451 (5 months ago)
I’m sorry I tried this product and the end result was there was no result. This is a nice pyramid scheme with sugar pills. Just drink your Kool-Aid and follow like sheep for your placebo.
themoneyzoneuvme (1 year ago)
Juli you are now coming into your light and becoming the person who you are meant to be. If you just watched this video and you need help with your business, Juli is the person who will be there for you. She is a true leader with passion flowing out of her veins. check her out…..
-Devin-
(comment from me)
…I didn’t see any passion, I saw a deer looking into headlights having trouble speaking English that I could understand
Glyconutrients and Breast Cancer

  • The field of glycobiology is a marketing word and field created by Mannatech. It has no roots in science and essentially means the biological study of sugar (nutritionally speaking, carbohydrates), which we all get more than enough of even with a very unhealthy diet.
  • Another word for Saccharides is CARBOHYDRATES, what they are saying is without THEIR carbohydrates, which even on a strict diet is very hard NOT to eat, cells have trouble communicating and cancer develops
  • Mannatech’s carbohydrates pills which, by the way, is identical to every other carbohydrate out there, sugar IS sugar except for the artifical sweetners being sold, help improve the efficiency of cell to cell communication. Where is the study proving that THEIR sugar is better than any other sugar? Don’t hold your breath as it doesn’t exist.
  • What this video is saying is that Mannatech’s sugar pills which are NOT proven to work, have no scientific merit beyond a placebo pill are able to cure cancer. FALSE! Not only that, the video says that if you begin taking the pills after you have cancer, then it will go away. Proven scientifically? Nope, just more lies.
  • They keep using the term “saccharides supplementation” to sound scientific but what they are saying is that THEIR sugar cures cancer, and hell, not just breast cancer but every other cancer known to man.
  • 100% of people taking a placebo developed cancer again while only 7-8% did so taking Mannatech’s Glyconutrients. Glyconutrients is a term created by Mannatech so this is the only company that can sell these things. They don’t make specific reference to Mannatech but as the only source, this is a nice way around the laws governing pharmaceuticals.
  • Notice that no proof is ever given
Here is their Mannatech’s corporate video
Notice how skimpy they are on the facts that their products do anything beyond a placebo pill but time and again, sell “wealth” to potential clients. They are a MLM, not a pharmaceutical company that is normally bound by a huge amount of regulation. The revolutionary technologies they keep talking about? Sugar pills and water. WOW! There is, by the way, no such thing as a “wellness industry”, that’s code for “we can’t prove scientifically that our products work so let’s use emotion instead of logic to sell them”.
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5/5/2009

TO: Jonathan

RE: Impermissible Use of Health Claims Attributed to Mannatech Products

http://blog.legendarylife.com/mannatech-strikes-again-with-holy-water/comment-page-1

Dear Jonathan:

This is a final reminder concerning a critical issue about your website which
requires your immediate attention. We have previously asked you to permanently
remove any statements which are or could be construed to be unauthorized health
claims. The statements made on your website are contrary to Mannatech policy.

Demand is hereby made that you immediately remove from your website any
statement or reference which (i) states, suggests or implies that Mannatech
nutritional products prevent, treat or cure disease, (ii) states, suggests or
implies that Mannatech nutritional products are a substitute for a doctor?s
standard of care, and/or (iii) is in any manner in contradiction with
Mannatech?s existing policies and procedures. Demand is further made that you
refrain from engaging in this activity in the future.

If you have not already done so, you have three (3) days from the receipt of
this letter to send the undersigned written confirmation stating such statements
and/or references have been removed from your website and that you will refrain
from engaging in this activity in the future.

This issue is very important to us, and we are sure you understand our
concerns. We are monitoring your website, and failure to fully comply may result
in legal and compliance action up to and including litigation in which Mannatech
will seek injunctive relief, damages, attorney?s fees and costs as allowable
under Texas law. Mannatech will undertake all actions necessary to secure your
compliance.

We thank you for your assistance if you have already complied with this
demand. If you have yet to fully comply, please take advantage of this final
opportunity to comply and avoid further action being taken by Mannatech.

Nothing herein shall be construed as a waiver of any rights Mannatech has at law
or in equity, all of which are expressly reserved.

Your prompt attention and cooperation in this matter are greatly appreciated.

Respectfully,
Mannatech Legal, Ethics & Compliance Department

Oct
08
2008
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WoodMarvels.com – One Year Later

It’s hard to believe but roughly a year ago, WoodMarvels.com launched… here are some important lessons we learned along the way.

http://blog.woodmarvels.com/important-lessons-from-woodmarvelscom

Mar
19
2008
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Passion strikes again with Dreamclue.com… get the message

Dreamclue.com Logo

We are all a product of a dream, whether realized or otherwise, they are among the most powerful mechanisms in our lives that help guide us, give us new ideas and play around with alternative realities!

Why develop Dreamclue.com?

Well, I originally began on this project a little over a year ago now after realizing that there was a huge amount of knowledge we are all acquiring but forgetting nightly! I wanted to create a system that not only makes sense of our dreams but more importantly, allows us to record them for prosperity. Our dreams are also a visual medium, so the site had to be chalk full of imagery to help guide you through the exploration of the dreamworld. The results? Well, launching with over two thousand dream symbols written by yours truly and a quarter of the entries with photographs also taken by me, I have big expectations for this site!

How does Dreamclue.com work?

Dreams are our own business, so it has to be built anonymously, as such, like myfoodcount.com before it, the system has no clue who you are and it’s drop dead easy interface for adding and learning about the dreamworld only helps to make the exploration that much easier!

Other cool Dreamclue.com features

The site features both text and image based navigation, in addition to interesting statistics not only about your very own dreams but all the dreams on the site as well. You can also read other peoples dreams (they are rendered anonymous by our system) and even comment on any interpretation on the site!

What’s next?

A lot, will let all our visitors know when the time is right ;-)

The Bottom Line

Passion is a dangerous thing as it can only bread more passion!

Feb
24
2008
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Scientology Review

Scientology ReviewWhat I find interesting with most religions is how they seem to really dislike one another under their facade of acceptance while they compete for our “poor” souls. Each religion out there has the tenant that they are the only TRUE religion so anybody professing anything different is seen as a competitor in this life or the next. What I find equally of interest is that they try to discount each-others beliefs while re-enforcing their own. Scientology is no different in that they are attacked regularly by Catholics and Muslims as being an evil cult which to me sounds no different then a kettle calling a pot black. I fail to see ANY difference between Scientology and other world faiths out there.

Disclaimer

My postings about religion are simply my exploration of this concept within humanity, I am not judging nor bashing of others rights to believe in whatever they wish to believe. I welcome anybody wishing to discuss this with me on my blog, I am open minded enough to explore anything but have no desire to be directed how I should live my life (ei: don’t expect me to convert to your way of thinking). I am sure this is full of inaccuracies, feel free to point them out. My goal in life is to understand others mechanisms regarding what makes them function.

Comparison (however flawed) with other religions

Scientology, unlike other faiths is rather new on the scene, there are actual video and audio recordings from the founder, L. Ron Hubbard himself. They preach acceptance, conditioning and conversion just like, ironically, the other world religions. Where they differ most greatly is that you don’t pray to an all-knowing creator (God) but actually take courses in how to improve yourself beyond ethical reproachment. Instead of intense worship, you focus on intense study. There is no heaven or hell, there aren’t millions of death under their belt in their religions name and there most notably, have a rather more interesting story as to human existence then any other religion complete with aliens and galactic wars. Cult? Nope, it’s just re-incarnation 2.0!

Scientology – The Shrinking World of L. Ron Hubbard (1967) – Part 1

  • Scientology means “study of knowingness”, it’s a faith or religion that calls itself a science
  • Scientologists study for hours daily, listening to tapes and are tested regularly to make sure all materials are clearly understood and followed to the letter
  • Scientologist use an e-meter, which is essentially a lie detector to audit people at confessionals for any type of emotion
  • Scientology has a record keeping system that would make even the ancient Romans envious, everything written down and kept for further analysis
  • Scientology is about profit, just like most other religions, at least they are honest about their intentions
  • to become a “clear”, you must be able to answer 60 questions in L. Ron Hubbard’s own handwriting without showing an ounce of emotion on an e-meter
  • ”suppressives” or people who dis Scientology are, in Lr. Ron Hubbard’s own words “Fair game. May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of Scientologists. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed”.
  • R2-45 is the mechanism by which people actively bashing Scientology are persecuted and investigated in order to ruin them
  • L. Ron Hubbard comes through as a rather intelligent and charismatic leader
  • I like how L. Ron Hubbard clarifies that he has no problem with people who are critical of him but of those who actively try to suppress the rights of others to practice what they want deserve what they get

Scientology – The Shrinking World of L. Ron Hubbard (1967) – Part 2

  • L. Ron Hubbard states that he had only two wives in his life but the record states that he had three, what I find interesting about this is… who cares? I fail to see how many wives, children or other details about a person have anything to do with leadership
  • L. Ron Hubbard spends a lot of time researching past civilizations, he believes he has lived before during many lives, memories exist within everybody from prior lives
  • people sign up in servitude to L. Ron Hubbard for a billion years as part of their training
  • -L. Ron Hubbard says that Scientology is a science, not a faith nor belief
  • L. Ron Hubbard’s quote stating “the one man in the world who never believes he’s a mad is a madman” couldn’t be any truer

BBC Panorama – Scientology & Me (Part 1 of 3)

  • Scientology is gaining acceptance around the world and is trying to become classified as a religion through various movements
  • use of a disconnect is used to break all links with individuals, including family members who try to get in the way of the religious growth of Scientologists
  • the concentration of this documentary is on making Scientology look like an evil cult, I completely see how Jon Sweeney has slanted his reports already
  • Scientology is the study of life and knowledge
  • e-meter was designed by L. Ron Hubbard himself

BBC Panorama – Scientology & Me (Part 2 of 3)

  • using the word “cult” is heavily frowned upon, they state they are a religion which I don’t understand because their Founder, L. Ron Hubbard stated emphatically that they are not a religion but a science
  • Scientology sends in their volunteers after major disasters to help using “touch assists” which is a healing method using hands and touch sort of like a massage but much lighter
  • Scientology runs an anti-drug program called “Narconon” using exercise and vitamin supplementation to help people kick their habits
  • courses don’t equate worship in British law, hence why it’s acceptance as a religion is stalled
  • it becomes quickly evident that Jon Sweeney isn’t very popular with the Scientology

BBC Panorama – Scientology & Me (Part 3 of 3)

  • many stars speak highly of the religion
  • I find Scientologist rather confrontational regarding Jon Sweeney’s interview, they seem to follow him everywhere, trying to break him down mentally but I also understand where they are coming from, how you would feel if you where Catholic or Muslim and constantly referred to as being part of a cult?
  • psychiatry is a pseudo-science according to Scientologists, a view that I actually have come to fully agree with though they take things a little further then I would have
  • they completely succeeded in driving Jon Sweeney nuts, if all for a few moments, they achieved their goal in my opinion as a result, discrediting his journalistic indifference
  • Scientology takes it’s religion extremely seriously, just like other world faiths

Brainwashing 101

If something works, it’s adopted by others and religion is no different then other types of marketing. They all seem to follow the same principles as those used in brainwashing 101 courses. These are the same techniques used by marketers who tell us you must buy a diamond for marriage, buy new cloths every season and that debts are no big deal in the pursuit of happiness (capitalism). I consider any type of activity whose sole purpose is to change the thinking of another person to be considered brainwashing.

Repetition!

First, begin with repetitive repetition on a continual basis to re-enforce a certain method of thinking. When I saw the video of this, I instantly thought of Madrasas or Sunday Schools the dot this planet.

Servitude

If you are Christian, you must give your soul to God “for eternity”, I believe it’s the same for other faiths but in Scientology, they only keep your soul under servitude for a billion years. I think this is progress… a billion years doesn’t seem so long when compared to eternity!

Sacrifice

Surrounding yourself by like minded individuals and “blocking out” those who don’t share your beliefs and the donation of energy whether in time, money or deeds to the religious organization. Evangelists have tiding where you give a portion of your income to the church, Catholics have the basket they put through the pews and other religions a mix of the two. If you want to be “part of us”, you must prove it in actions as well or words. At least Scientology is straight forward and very clear regarding these expectations with ladders related to donations.

Overly-friendliness: Community of the like minded

I grew up Roman Catholic and I see the same thing among other faiths, this overly-friendliness towards the like minded and possible conversionable. I visited a “born again” Evangelist complex a few years ago and that is when it really struck me… it isn’t just “hi”, it’s the big handshakes, hugs and even kisses. Why does this exist? Well, simply to re-enforce that you have entered a safe place, you have friends. Some people like hugging complete strangers, as for me, handshakes are about as far as I will take things.

Confessionals

Scientologists use e-meters, Catholics the confessional and I am sure there is an equivalent in other religion but what is it’s true purpose? No matter how the religious autocracy wish to characterize it, these are a brilliant method of control in two fundamental ways. First, they help break down the mental barriers which may, at a later period of time, create doubt in the mind and secondly, it keeps people in line. If you told your priest that you did xyz they say, “your sins are now forgiven” what has actually happened? NOTHING but a bonding event at the subconscious level! You told somebody else your deepest secrets which gives you some relief but also helps to keep you in line at a subconscious level.

Humans = EVIL

Humans are all evil, worthless and lost without GOD or some other entity, Scientologists don’t revert to these words, instead, they focus on purity of the mind. Religion is basically the pursuit of perfection, something that cannot EVER be achieved no matter how much training or lives a person spends on this endeavor. Religions all describe humans as being fundamentally flawed and only religious dogma is the way to go to achieve a higher level of being in this life or the next. I find this incredibly interesting as there are far more Catholics, Muslims and other religious persons in prisons and committing crimes out there then Athiests yet, regardless of religion, Athiests are seen as the absolute lowest of the low. It seems that people who believe in themselves, for themselves are so off kilter in not seeing supreme guidance that we are vilified just under the surface of acceptance.

Profit

Scientology is an expensive religion, you have to pay for courses to constantly improve yourself, the books, tapes etc all add up to a pretty penny. Before you bash this, consider that the Pope lives in his own city of incredible splendor just like Evangelists live in their multi-million dollar homes. What’s the difference? None. Religion is truly the most profitable enterprise out there, many governments even allow tax deductions for “donations” to religious organizations.

Death to critics!

This bears repeating, in L. Ron Hubbard’s own words “Fair game. May be deprived of property or injured by any means by any Scientologist without any discipline of Scientologists. May be tricked, sued or lied to or destroyed”. Sounds harsh? I don’t think so, considering Catholics wish you to spend eternity in hell under the most inhumane conditions while fundamentalists believe you deserve a beheading for speaking badly about their beliefs. Considering this, Scientology is rather generous to it’s critics as it doesn’t involve death! Christians has their crusades and I am sure Muslims had their equivalents in history, so far, not a hint of this from Scientology. Again, I believe this is progress as far as religions go.

Gays are ok!

Unlike Catholics and many other major religions, Scientology doesn’t seem to discriminate against sexual orientation. If you are gay, you are welcomed with open arms. Again, this is welcome progress in the world of religion.

Charisma of the Leader

After watching quite a bit of video, no matter what you believe about Scientology, L. Ron Hubbard is a rather charismatic leader, I am sure this was as true about Jesus in his time as with other prophets from other religions. He comes across as rather sincere, he obviously believes his way of thinking is the “purest” and wants to expand this organization to touch the hearts of minds of others around the world. Ironically, this is the same mission and method used by other religions around the world.

Is Scientology a Cult or a Religion

If others wish you ill harm on others, then I would consider this a cult but if they simply wish to be left alone to work on themselves while bettering the lives of those around them, who is to judge or make this distinction? As for me, I don’t see them as a cult anymore then other religions out there. They have their beliefs, I have mine… as long as they don’t infringe on my rights, I couldn’t care less about what their followers are doing behind closed doors. What I do find fascinating about the evolution of Scientology is that it gives you a glimpse of how religions form and grow in both influence and power in our world over time. They are the new kid on the block, learning along the way what should and shouldn’t be adopted.

Is Scientology for me?

Although I find their stories far more interesting then those of other prophetic books, I still cannot fathom giving up my inner power, no matter how slight, to another organization, no matter how it’s characterized by preachers and sinners alike. I do agree with some of their teachings and even some of their views but not enough to feel any deep passion to join them. Their equivalent to the Koran or Bible called Dianetics is on my “to-read” list though but unlike these two other books, I can’t find a free copy of this one.

The Bottom Line

Religion is no different then cough medicine, it makes the symptoms of thinking about our collectively mortality go away without solving the underlying problem that we all die eventually.

Buzvia: Church of Scientology Official Web Site, Wikipedia

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